In this Podcast Coaching Session, we discuss how to start a successful podcast by getting down to the nitty-gritty of who and what your avatar actually needs!
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In this Podcast Coaching Session, we discuss how to start a successful podcast by getting down to the nitty-gritty of who and what your avatar actually needs! Meet Mompreneur, Lis Hammons! We go through the four-tiers of brand creation and more!
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Stefanie: So, let's dig into the goal for today. I think from your notes here, basically coming up with like the four tiers of the podcast, right? The name, tagline description and some episodes?
Liz: Yes, after that, like if we have time, just the monetization aspect of it.
Stefanie: Okay, cool. So right now, what you're doing is you are doing a Wine MLM. Right?
Stefanie: Where are you with that? Because I think it does make a huge difference. If we're talking like, this is like my full time like, this brings in all the revenue or I dabble,
Liz: Right, I mean I want it to be more productive than it is. I'm an executive manager, just kind of like the first bigger promotion. I have a team I could advance today or the last month to a different title, but my team's not really recruiting and so I'm passionate about the product. I really believe in eating clean and all the things that [inaudible 00:58] aligns with I would like to incorporate it, but I don't want it to be like, ew.
Stefanie: Yes like, I'm in a wine network marketing business join me.
Liz: Exactly and that I have never done network marketing. And so, when I signed up for it, I mean, that's still and it is still like my biggest I get very defensive over it, you know, because I feel like it's been so squirmy. I don't know, people look at it poorly,
Stefanie: For sure. I mean, it's just an industry thing. So, get used to that, you're going to get a lot of that for sure. But it's all in the way that you market it. And I think it can absolutely pair in especially if we're talking to this mom, friend, wife, daughter aspect that you had mentioned. Obviously, wine goes in perfectly with that. So, it's just in the way that you market it. And don't, it's really important, I think, just leave network marketing out of it completely.
Stefanie: Like, I market, a wine that I'm in love with, and here's why. I don't know anything about this company, but you know all about it. So, you can be like, here's why I love this, and I wouldn't even say, don't ever say the name of your network marketing business ever because.
Liz: Okay, Okay.
Stefanie: Right away, and it's just the industry, it has nothing to do with you or your company. People have either been in network marketing, and there are definitely highs and lows to the industry. And they've been chased down by someone, and so they're like, Oh, no, you know. But it doesn't matter that it's a network marketing business, because you could be selling wine that you buy at Total Wine and you're flipping, and you have your own distribution labeling company. Or you could be with, it doesn't matter, right. So, you're just saying, I have a wine I'm obsessed with, and here's all the reasons why this is my favorite. If you want more info on the wine that I love and promote, hey shoot me a DM or an email or you have a direct link over to your sales page. Does that make sense?
Stefanie: So, it's kind of like attraction marketing that's infused.
Liz: Sure, sure that's great okay.
Stefanie: So, let's talk about the podcast. You had mentioned, highs and lows of being a mom, friend, wife, daughter, let's niche in on this.
Stefanie: So, when we look at Liz, what are why? What about the highs and lows of being a mom, friend, wife, daughter, like, talk to me about that? Do you have an idea of what that would mean? Do you have examples?
Liz: I do, so I actually did like a Google Form just kind of dorky of my friends and said, what are your like, mom issues and stuff like that. And I mean, a lot of them were getting lost and raising the kids in the relationship with their husband, that kind of stuff. A lot of it was parenting stuff, I mean, social media with kids and screen time you kind of things like that. I don't know, aging parents stress and anxiety, all that it's just so broad. And I do want it to be narrowed down.
Stefanie: Yes, so what about there's tons of problems and pain points we can tackle. But what about you when someone comes to you, Liz, what are the things that you feel like, Oh, I could talk about this all day. I know this really well.
Liz: Yes, I feel like my thing is instantly like positivity. I pride myself on finding the good. And a lot of times, I must say that I'm, there's not just crap, but like try to find the good and whatever the situation is with gratitude and scripture. I kind of get up early every morning and do that kind of thing, I mean, those are my positive things. But like, I known as like the techie person, and I'm really organized and those kinds of things, but I just don't know how that could play off. I don't know how to talk about it. You know what I mean?
Stefanie: Is it parenting specifically? Like there's positivity? So that's great is it when it comes to parenting or is it when it comes to you as a woman and a mom and like, more self?
Liz: Yes, probably more self. Yes. I tried to do it with parenting but that's hard. I have three kids.
Liz: They don't listen.
Stefanie: Parenting cray, cray, right? Know what's so funny that just came into my mind, I have no idea why, put on your positive pants. I'm like, I just thought of this like, Okay. If you're talking to mom or wife or another you right? You're talking to you, and you're like, if I was to have this podcast, and I really love being different.
Stefanie: Instead of it being like positive parenting, but we still want, if positives, the core common denominator that you want to roll with, like, what if it was something kind of funny, like, put on your positive pants? And like, it's something like navigating the mess and stress for busy moms. I like that.
Stefanie: I don't know why I just I just wrote it down. It came from I have no clue. I'm like, put on your positive pants. Like that's kind of funny.
Liz: That is, that is.
Stefanie: Let me see if that's available. I don't know, how does that even feel for you?
Liz: I guess I like it. I think it's kind of catchy, I guess in my head, and I know we're not, we're supposed to do stuff that's SEO, searchable and all that, but I was like Liz out loud. I don't know why that like seemed like something catchy but it's not.
Stefanie: It's so unclear. Like what that could be anything in the world. And it doesn't mean you can't have that later when you're on Angie Lee right? You go. I'm going to rebrand now that everybody knows. But if you had something that's obvious, like put on your positive pants, Mama.
Liz: Right. Oh, I like that.
Stefanie: And in the little tagline on the meme, on the podcast graphic, navigating the mess and stress for the busy mom. It's so obvious like, this is going to be fun.
Stefanie: Because she has a quirky name, searchability has positive mom right there in the title. It's so obvious and then I like what's the promise? Well, it's navigating the mess and stress of being a busy mom. And that really opens it up for you to talk about what you said earlier here in your notes, which was the highs and lows of being a mom, friend, wife, daughter. You can monetize your podcast with your wine business from day one, because Hello, like wine and positive pants and mom life like duh.
Liz Absolutely, that's great.
Stefanie: And I just checked on iTunes, and it's available.
Liz: Oh cool.
Stefanie: Thank you, no podcast, they're called that. Let me check GoDaddy for your domain.
Liz: So, would you do that? Would you put the domain under the podcast name or we do like I bought Liz Hammonds, like I was in real estate before I did [inaudible 07:45] and I just, you know, got it as soon as I started real estate.
Stefanie: Yes, no I think you can brand under yourself. But you still want to get your domain name that matches your podcast, because if your podcast blows up, someone's going to grab your domain so that they can play off of your success.
Stefanie: Just to cover your butt and it's only 10 like 11 bucks a year and so get it and then you can redirect it into your Liz website as a little tab.
Stefanie: And put on your positive pants mama.com is available
Liz: That's awesome
Stefanie: Right or Put on Your Positive Pants Podcast. Let me check that one is also available.
Liz: Okay, thanks.
Stefanie: I can't believe.
Liz: I just like that
Stefanie: It's so fun when it's already, it's like available and you know it's meant to be.
Liz: Yes, that's so great. My kids are like you're going to do what? Podcast it's going to be great. What are you going to talk about you?
Stefanie: You and your mess and how you annoy me.
Liz: Because what is the term like my son had the term yesterday is like, okay, don't be a Karen and I'm like, what? What does that even mean? I had to go Google it then like you're going to be on my podcast enlightening all of us mother's like terminology.
Stefanie: Oh my gosh, that is a great idea!
Liz: You really think so?
Stefanie: I think that'd be so funny. You should have your kid come on in one of the episodes, and it's like mom get with it or like get with the times mom could be the title. And he could have like five or six of the new acronyms that we need to know about as parents. It would be so funny.
Liz: Yes. I know. I thought that would cute.
Stefanie: Don't be aa Karen oh my gosh! Yes. So, love that, so obsessed with that. So, imagine this for like your graphic, what if you had a cartoon like a character drawing as your meme? And it's like a mom with like a baby on her hip or whatever. And her pants are up like their jeans, but it says like positive across the butt. Like, like your positive pants are on. Oh, like,
Liz: That's awesome.
Stefanie: We had a girl in the podcast Pro You who found an artist, I will find out who it is, on Fiverr and you would not believe the channel art he did for her and it was a character of her with her cat because whatever that's what it's about. But immediately that's what came to my mind instead of liking you and a pretty little like, branded like hot, it's like no this is funny. Like positive pants are on and don't be a Karen like oh my gosh
Liz: So funny.
Stefanie: I love it.
Liz: So that's awesome. Okay, so I mean, I have this picture that I you know, I was playing on Canva and I was looking to do you know, my artwork or whatever. And I'm, it's embarrassing, but it's like one of the parent fails. Like my mom and dad and like in 1977 or whatever it was, thought it'd be funny to put like, it wasn't lit, but it was like an old cigarette in my mouth and I'm in like my footie pajamas. And like my fat cheeks, I'm just sitting there. Like, parenting gone bad or like, not positive here. I don't know. Like there could be a lot of bad stuff with it. I guess.
Stefanie: You're already, you were already on this route, that's hilarious. I love it. I think that's so funny.
Liz: Do you think that I should though have like somebody professionally do it?
Stefanie: Probably. I will tell you I would rather you guys spend $100 on kick ass channel art than have a better mic, it's that important. Like, especially if you're in this mom category, there is a lot of podcasts here, and you want to stand out you want it, it's quirky, It's funny. I think for sure having your son on explaining to us like kid code words that you need to know like, Oh, that's the kind of stuff that isn't around. What is around is like, positive parenting 101, how to like your kids. Like boring and I'm not saying we don't want to infuse that, but I like your spicy stuff too.
Stefanie: So, I would probably invest in channel art and I don't think he was expensive. Let me find it because it's in our podcast pro group.
Stefanie: She put it in there because everyone was like blown away how great it came out.
Liz: Okay, well I'm is it on the Facebook group?
Liz: Okay, because I'm in there so I can search it out.
Liz: If you want.
Stefanie: We'll get that done after so.
Stefanie: Now what is this about? So, let's get even more clear, because we've got this idea. I really love the idea of like quirky and fun. Let's talk more about you, so what else do you want to bring to the table? Do you want it to be interview format? Like, funny open conversations with moms and kids? Do you want it to be? You know, obviously.
Liz: I do.
Stefanie: Okay and we'll infuse.
Liz: A little bit.
Stefanie: I think that is super fun. Like, I almost feel like it would be fun to, you bring on a mom and they have to talk about like a hot mess mom situation that they recently been in. And like you guys are laughing about like, it's a funny story. Like if you were to think back and go, what is like the funniest story that you can think about that recently you've gone through with your kids. Like my kid was just in the car talking to Siri, and he was like, he's three, right?
So, he's like with the iPad, he's going, Siri and she goes hello and you Oh, hi, hey Siri, as she goes, I'm here. Oh, look Siri is coming on my phone right now. And he goes, like, Hi, okay, I have a question and she's like, I can't hear you. And he's like going on and on with her. And finally, he gets so mad and he's yelling at her, Blippi. B-L-I-P-P-I. Like you I'm dying in the front seat just like. So, how cool would that be? If you have like someone, they have to share a super funny story that they've recently gone through. And then I don't know what else you guys bring into it. Like okay, you share a really funny story, everyone's laughing and then you share, like, what's the biggest win you've you felt that you've recently had in this messy motherhood journey? And maybe they share that, and maybe the third thing is like a lesson or a tactical that people can take away.
Stefanie: You know, and so I almost feel like it's navigating the mess and stress with a dose of laughter or something.
I like that, because I do want, I like we are silly. Like I just bought my daughter a shirt. My girlfriend, actually and I both bought our daughters the same shirt. It's like having a weird mom builds character. I'm like for sure, right? You know, I don't know I like humor, I need humor, a little sarcasm in there for sure. And so, imagine if that was the title of an episode.
Stefanie: That that tagline of the shirt and you get on the episode. And whether that one is with your girlfriend or solo and you're like, Guys, I just bought this shirt. And I just want to talk about this for a second.
Liz: Yes, for sure.
Stefanie: Let's talk about bringing the weird back into parenting. Like why I love infusing like weird and sarcasm. Let me share a funny story with you guys about this.
Stefanie: Like what makes me think of when I think of that tagline is that my mom would turn rap music on in the car, just to embarrass me and she'd start dancing and I'd be like mortified. I'm like Oh my gosh, not only am I in my grandma's blue station wagon right now, but my mom is also dancing to rap music, right? The funny thing is I do it now,
Stefanie: Oh, absolutely.
Liz: Oh yes, I will never forget my mom ran over the curb, like my very first day of eighth grade in a brand-new school in her Camaro. Like as she's dropping me off and all the kids are out front of the school like my very first day and she's like, no, it's fine, have a great day. I'm like, oh my God no!
Stefanie: Yes. So that's kind of like, what I feel would set you apart from what else is out there is this. It's you're navigating the mess and stress and motherhood with a dose of laughter and every episode follows that format, right?
Stefanie: So, I would almost think of it like maybe it's a 50/50 just because interviews do take some more time to put together and I don't want you to start with 100% interview format because it's a lot of work.
Stefanie: But you could do a 50/50, I would keep them definitely 30 minutes or less. Moms don't want to listen to hour long episodes as you know.
Stefanie: And you know, it's like basically that whole thing, funny, quirky titles once a week, they're coming out. And one can be like that shirt tagline, whatever that said. The next one is like your son and he's breaking down these crazy acronyms that we need to know about, like kid code, like Kid Code 101, right?
Liz: I love that yes.
Stefanie: Maybe the next one is like weird crap your mom did. You're like reminiscing with a girlfriend about these funny stories that you and I just talked about, like, it's hilarious. And I think the lesson in it is that it's so memorable to us now. And even though it felt like mortifying the world shaped us for the better because now we're not afraid to make our kids laugh and to be awkward. And we want to create memories down the road where our kids go, Holy smokes, my mom did that weird crap too and it's so funny to me now?
Liz: Yes, yes.
Stefanie: That she's not afraid of her weird or her different?
Liz: Absolutely. I love that thank you.
Liz: How would you monetize on that though? I mean, would you just go off the wine?
Stefanie: I think for right now you would go off the wine because hello, this is perfect.
Stefanie: Okay, perfect for wine, now down the road, I think there's a lot of different things that you can do maybe six months in when you've got a better baseline of like, which episodes are doing really well. Sponsorship would be a good one for this, like those like funny t shirts, right? Finding a company that has hilarious mom mugs that wants to sponsor the show.
Stefanie: And that's a bit down the road, and then even further down the road might be is there some type of course that we can create? There's a million ways to monetize something. But we don't know what it is until our audience tells us what it is.
Liz: Okay, I've heard you say that. That's true.
Stefanie: So, we need an audience first, but you already have a wine business. This woman probably drinks wine.
Liz: Oh yes.
Stefanie: You know,
Liz: [Inaudible 18:00] so that's my avatar. So yeah.
Stefanie: And so, it'd be great for you from day one to be like, Hey, what's up messy mama know that today's going to be so cool. We're going to be debunking all of these crazy kid codes that are going on. Today like my kid just called me a Karen. I didn't know that was a thing you guys, we're going to find out from him all the things we need to know it's going to be so much fun and your kids not going to know that you're in the know about what they're calling you. But first, I want to remind you that messy mom's drink wine and I'm going to make that okay. So, if you need to grab a bottle for this weekend that's coming up, have some girl gab with your friends holler at me, I have my favorite organic wines that I'm obsessed with, they're super affordable. So, if you drink two bottles, it's okay because two for the price of one. Hit me up on IG Okay, and I'll share with you my favorite brand or head over to Liz bada.com/vino and grab a bottle right now.
Liz: That's awesome.
Stefanie: So, it's kind of funny, like making a joke out of it I never said the name of the company, I never said pricing It was very light and fluffy. But the fact is if you can infuse like it's affordable if it's organic, if it's whatever talking about why you love this particular one, she's going to be curious to go to like you know Liz whatever like slash vino ya know, I think it'd be super funny or like messy mom loves wine or something.
Liz: Okay, that's cute.
Stefanie: And that could be your sales page right there you could have. In all companies are different if they make you use their sales page or if they let you use buttons that link to their sales page.
Liz: I think we have a blog button on the back office.
Stefanie: Cool, perfect. So yes, shot of my favorite wines or something.
Liz: Cool. Speaking of which, like the FedEx guys delivering wine right now.
Stefanie: [Inaudible 19:47] front door. Cue the wine guy, okay.
Liz: That [inaudible 19:53] me like, Hey, where are you?
Stefanie: Do you have to sign for it?
Liz: I do, it's just like don't want to have to get off the phone though so he can come back tomorrow. It's fine.
Stefanie: Are you sure go sign for it. You're fine.
Liz: This is way more important to me then my box of wine.
Stefanie: Are you sure?
Liz: No. I am. He can come back tomorrow.
Stefanie: Okay, so what else comes through? Like are you feeling really clear on the type of content that you would create? Do you want to brainstorm more episode ideas?
Liz: I really would if we have a few more minutes, I guess.
Stefanie: Yes, yes
Liz: Yes, I would love to kind of think out some more episode ideas.
Stefanie: Okay. So, I think what else can we put in here? So, when we're thinking about that, Mom, that's kind of like us. She's super, you know, open minded, she likes to laugh. She goes to happy hour with her girlfriends. She probably has kids like, ranging from younger to high school. I'm thinking maybe like, she's got three kids like you so they're kind of spread out.
Stefanie: What other topics do you think make her really laugh, but that we can also give her some tangible stuff in there. Maybe that you're going through?
Liz: I mean, I definitely think you know, the relationship, the mom daughter relationship, puberty, like sassiness, all that kind of stuff.
Stefanie: How about slash the sass?
Liz: Oh, I like that, that's great.
Stefanie: And like, again, you're sharing a funny story of how, and they're all going to resonate with you, right? You're like, oh my gosh, so Patricia the other day, ladies, she did this thing. And I wanted to slap her do you guys ever want to just slap your daughter? Because I think that's probably not just me, right? Is that just me?
Liz: No, no, yes.
Stefanie: And like, you can kind of share the funny story and then maybe you can talk about, okay, all jokes aside, like, this is kind of how I'm navigating this. Maybe you have a conversation with someone else that has a daughter in the similar age, and you guys are bouncing ideas and things that have been working for you.
Stefanie: That would be super great. What else?
Liz: Absolutely. I mean, I have a whole list of like parenting stuff, like real stuff.
Stefanie: So, give me some of those because how can we make those fit this brand?
Liz: My middle son is on Accutane and that was a big decision. I mean, that's the hardest, hard medicine like it was kind of, I've had a couple of moms like, give me grief a little bit over it about how bad it is. And we obviously consulted with a couple of physicians before we did it, but like it was a hard decision.
Stefanie: Okay, how about an episode that's dealing with Judgy Judy's?
Stefanie: And then you kind
Liz: Of one of my mom friends actually said in the Google forum, like women need to support each other more, you know,
Stefanie: Yes, and I think that's what that episode can be about. But you can also infuse these stories that make her resonate with you and share. We have, you know, a child we had to deal with, like should we put him on medication, we were doctors, we were going back and forth out, you know, I was judging myself, let alone dealing with external judgment, and kind of letting her know like, you're not alone in hard choices. And then maybe the takeaway is, the decision is ultimately like, you and God, and it's, you have to let go of what other people think about you and criticism, and that's kind of the tangible takeaway for her.
Liz: That's really good. Thank you.
Stefanie: You're welcome. What else?
Liz: Getting kids to remember things is something somebody, like they're constantly forgetting, you know, their rear ends of the [inaudible 23:09] match.
Stefanie: What about Yeah, that's so funny. How can make that funny? Let me think
Liz: Their heads weren't attached, and they leave them. I don't know something right.
Stefanie: What about like, listen to me, Linda?
Stefanie: Remember that whole thing?
Stefanie: It can be like the whole joke is you're sharing stories about like, again, all of this stuff totally resonates as a mom. I'm like, I'm like talking to Mike. I've said 17 times put on your shoes. Yeah. And he'll be like, wait, what did you say as he stares at his Pokémon Nintendo game and I'm like, Oh, I like losing my shite! And so, I think they share these funny stories, share some funny stuff of what's happened recently and then be like, okay, but real talk. Like how we can better the situation and whether that's an open convo with another mom, whether that's you and using some tips of what you've seen. And I think it's a great thing for you to be like you guys, I don't have all this stuff figured out.
Stefanie: But here's the situation. I am a real human mom that's failing in many areas, winning in some that I want to navigate this space with you and let's just have open dialogue about what's working, what's not working, and laugh about it. Because why are we taking this so seriously?
Liz: Like, absolutely. That's a great like show. I mean, like whole podcast description.
Stefanie: There you go.
Stefanie: Oh, we have to do that before we get off.
Stefanie: Okay, so let's do one more episode, and then I'll do the description with you.
Liz: Okay. Let's see. I mean, like, over scheduling is one. I mean, some of these are pretty, like intense. You know?
Stefanie: What about like, I'm quit being so frazzled, Felicia.
Liz: Oh, yours like Bye, Felicia.
Stefanie: Yes, oh, that's a good title too. For like maybe the Judgy Judy one.
Stefanie: Okay, maybe like is frazzled a bad look?
Liz: That would be a cute one. That is. I like adding the names on the end of them too. I mean, goes back to the whole Karen thing.
Stefanie: Maybe that's a theme for you.
Liz: Yes, that's awesome.
Stefanie: That would be funny. Okay. I love that. Anything that sets you apart, like people are like, Oh, I have to abide by the podcasting rules. Like, there are no podcasting roles and the more different you are, and the funnier and the more you resonate, that is what lights your fire. It's being different.
Liz: It is. It's just a quirk, you know.
Stefanie: Exactly. Okay, so when I think of this show, let me just riff, don't try to write it down. So, I'll be too fast. But you can listen to the recording, what I think maybe like a good description might be slash intro. Now description is longer, and we're infusing all of these like keywords that will really trigger this mom. And then in the intro, when you read it, just make it a little bit more like take your favorite three or four sentences from the description and that's like an intro, right? Okay, so something funny like, hey, what up messy mama I see over there drinking that wine, living in the stress and mess of motherhood. And why are you taking this all so seriously? That's my question, because I think it's time that we put on our positive pants, and we treat this whole thing with a big dose of laughter and a bigger glass of wine. Hey, what's up? I'm Liz. And I want to make you laugh through the journey of motherhood, with super funny sometimes embarrassing stories. Lots of tactical tips to help us find the laughter in everyday situations and have more fun as a mama because let's get real this is a blessing, isn't it?
Liz: Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. I love ending it on a question.
Stefanie: Yes, like cause this motherhood thing is all a big blessing dot, dot, dot. Right, isn't it?
Liz: Yes, that's great. That's great, thank you.
Stefanie: That's good. And then you know, inside that description as well, you want to have like, connect, and then you'll have your website and then email us at, and you have a website. And so, you can just have like, put on your positivepantsmama@gmail for now if you want to just do.
Stefanie: Doesn't need to be fancy and then your website can be like one page for now like.
Stefanie: I don't know what you've built. But don't wait to do the show, your three I'm not worried about you. You're going to get it?
Liz: I am, and I've been working on it. I mean, I have like, all my tabs are open right now, which is highly annoying, but like, I'm trying to not lose my place. But you know, like, Okay, I've got GoDaddy here with this. And yeah, so I'm trying to.
Stefanie: Perfect so I am pumped, like, this is a show I would love. I'm excited for you. And I think it's going to be so great.
Liz: I'm very grateful, thank you. I'm so happy I found you.
Stefanie: Yay. All right, friend, well, I'll get you all of that in an email and I'm excited for you.
Liz: Sounds wonderful. Have a great weekend.
Stefanie: You too, Liz. Bye.
Liz: Bye, bye.
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