Hacking the Enneagram! How This Personality Test Can Help You Understand Your Avatar & Hone in on Your Strengths
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You've heard my endless rambling about how I am an "Ennegram 3", right? By now, you know I have a slight obsession with the Enneagram Personality test and maybe you can relate and know why I'm all sorts of fired up about it... or maybe you're like OMG what is the Enneagram already!? Regardless of which bucket you fall into, today's episode is a must...
I brought on one of my favorite humans, Blake Guichet who is even more Enneagram obsessed than I am - believe. Together, we dig into each type, how you can hone in on your zones of gifting -- furthering your life and business by understanding your personality at the core.
Last, we discuss how you can use this tool to understand your avatar, clients, kids, and more. I know you will love this training. ENJOY sis!
Full transcription available at the bottom of this blog post.
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So this is X you're like, but wait, what is it about? Okay. So today we are going to learn what the Enneagram is and how we can use the Enneagram personality test to better relate and understand our clients, our market, and ultimately even make more sales. Oh yeah. It's that good. I brought in my sister from another Mister, you know her as at a girl named Blake. She is the host of a crappy Christian podcast and she's just simply amazing. I was on her show. I loved her. We got super jazzed up about the Enneagram. Y'all know I've mentioned it a few times and you probably have, are familiar with it by now, this incredible personality test that helps you better understand your strengths, your weaknesses, your business mindset, your relationships. And I'm just so in love with this personality test, but Blake is obsessed with it. So I asked my girl Blake to come on and break it down for us. What is it? Why do we need to know it? How can it help us in our business? How can it help us with our clients? We go through examples. I mean, we dig in. So if you're an Enneagram nerd or want to be any gram nerd, this episode is legit for you.
What's up mama boss. Welcome back to The Mompreneur Mastermind Show. I'm Stefanie Gass, success strategist, and passive income queen creator. If you're ready to step into your God, led potential, create profit from your passions and capture the success that is already yours. This podcast was made for you as always. You can find out more and connect with me over at stefaniegass.com. So grab that cup of coffee or fill up that glass of wine and let's dig in to today's show. So who is Blake? Well, Blake is a wife, a mama. She's a podcaster and a graphic designer who just wants you to know you are gifted and capable, but you don't have to work yourself to the bone. To be Blake is passionate about women believing truth about themselves and being fully who God made them for the glory of the kingdom. Blake's amazing. She's an eight on the Enneagram as you'll get to know through this episode. So she's the go getter. Like nothing's going to stand in her way. I love that when she gets fired up about something, there's nothing to no one that can keep her from speaking out. And I think that's so powerful and takes so much bravery and I respect her highly. I love her show you guys, be sure to go check it out and let's go ahead and jump in to this interview.
Hey everyone, I'm super excited. You've heard all about Blake in the intro, but I'm sitting here with her. I'm so pumped my friend, Blake, my colleagues, she runs an amazing podcast, which we're going to talk about in a second. And so welcome Blake. I'm so pumped to be sitting on my floor, talking to you right now. Yes. I'm so pumped to be in my closet and talking to you. Thanks. Okay. So Blake, for the listeners that don't know who you are, tell us about your story. Like how did you get to where you are today and kind of like that background? Yeah, so I am Louisiana born and bred. I've never lived really anywhere else. So I've had a lot of different goals and dreams throughout my life. I was going to be a lawyer at one point, and then I met the love of my life and decided I didn't want to be in love with him and go to law school.
So I started a graphic design business. I became a believer when I was 20. I grew up in a Christian home, but kind of didn't really get it and didn't really want anything to do with it for most of my life, which is so funny because now he's the most important thing to me and about me. And so now I still live in Louisiana with my two little girls that are under five. And my husband who is incredible and hard worker, I still run a graphic design business. I have a podcast and I'm just trying to meet people where they are and remind them what God has for them, what he has given them, how he gifted them and have helped them really step into that in their day-to-day life. We're like Twins, except for the fact that minor boys and years.
Of girls that like growing up in the same place that you live now and like finding God again later in your life. And just all the things we've already talked about. This we're like hashtag yes. Yes. So Blake, let's talk about your podcast for a second. You have a podcast and it's called confessions of a crappy Christian. Yes. I know that we talked off air about this being a controversial title, talk to vision for this podcast when you started it and how, like, how did that name come about and what does it mean to you? So people who listen to my podcast know the story that I actually prayed about starting my podcast for a full year, like October to October of 17 to 18. I prayed, I got to a point where I had an alert set on my phone and just had to pray about it once a month because God kept telling me no, but also kept pushing me to keep praying about it.
Yeah. And so my, the heart behind my podcast is second Corinthians 12, but he said to me, my grace is sufficient for you. My power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weakness so that Christ's power may rest on me. So that's really what the like crappy Christian is about is that like, I'm not perfect. I have a lot of weaknesses. I have a lot of weakness to boast about. And so does everybody else. And then definitely, you know, there's an aspect of it. That's catchy, that's intriguing. My heart for the podcast is definitely that it would not only resonate with the mid thirties, white suburban mom, that it would reach people who have walked away from the church or grew up in the church, but I've never reconnected with it. That the idea that someone called a believer calling themselves a crappy Christian and it has proven to be effective, but people would tune into that and be like, wait, what? Like, I want to hear more about this. And so I just share my platform with other people and encourage them to share boast about their weaknesses and the things that God has done through them every week. And it's amazing. It's such an incredible gift in my life. And then the opportunity to turn around and be on other people's podcasts is so cool too. So I'm excited to be here.
Cool. And you're right. Like the title is super catchy and I saw your show before it was ever brought to me like, Hey Steph, should we do a swap with this show? And I saw the title of it. And it was so catchy. I'm like reading.
Cause I'm like, what does that mean? Right, right. So intriguing to me, interestingly, because also I launched October of 18. So I didn't launch until December of last year, but I got the okay. In October and started kind of turning the wheels and doing the recording and not a word. Oh yeah. When we, you interviewed on my show just a couple of weeks ago and we heard like podcasts or a ton of work and people don't realize that,
Is that going to be your platform? And if it is, it almost rises to the platform that you're doing.
Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Instagram is definitely like secondary right now to the effort and the time that goes in. But I mean, I love it, but so it took October to December to be like, to get like ready to launch. So yeah. Yeah.
How do you feel that your guys don't worry, we're getting into any grand promise, but I'm just like, so curious, how did you, so you pray on this, what was the defining moment that you felt like the spiritual push to say yes. Or to go?
Yeah, so it's kind of, I'm not like really one for like the dramatics. And we'll talk about, we'll talk about why we're talking about Instagram, but it was a very like dramatic. I was in Waco, it at Magnolia with my best friend who also produces my podcast and has her own podcast. And so we're sitting in magnet like in the middle of Magnolia, which is such a like, place to dream and be inspired. And you're like, Oh my gosh, like the games have like built this from nothing and we're talking about it. And Jeanette knew that I had been praying about it for close to a year at that point. And it literally was like, Holy spirit. Okay. It's time. Let's go. Let's do it. Get the wheels turning. And I had very distinctly been told no for a year. Not no, but not yet.
I had very distinctly been not yet. And it's funny because I know that your podcast is very like business minded and related. And I do own another, like I own a graphic design business that's relatively successful and keeps me busy. And I was a crazy person trying to like manage like my two young kids in my household and a business and gods when it was so humbling. And my pride took such a hit every time. Like I was like, you can barely handle what you have on your plate right now. You can barely handle what you have on your plate right now, like over and over and over it. And so that required a lot of like soul work and mindset work for me to kind of get over that hump so that you now, like a year later, I'm so much more on my plate than I did, but I'm functioning from a place of rest I'm functioning from knowing what my strengths are.
And so I'm capable of like juggling all of these things. And so it was just really cool. Like it was just God intimately cares about our dreams and our goals, but he wants us to do them well. He wants us to do them to his glory. And he knows when you're in a certain mindset that you're not going to, like if I had launched the podcast, when I first had the idea, it would have flopped because I would not have been able to handle it. So it was very cool to like sit on the grounds in Magnolia, in Waco with my sweet tea and my best friend and be like, Oh my gosh, God just told me. Yes. Like, you know,
I love that. Yeah. And it's so funny because I think people they're always waiting for this definitive. Yes. Before they're ready to take messy action. So I want you guys to really hear what Blake said. It was that as soon as she felt that spiritual push, she took messy action. Even though it was like things haven't settled down, I'm still busy. I still have all the things. I literally feel the spiritual push. So I'm going to go. So you guys pay attention to that because it's not an accident, right?
No, absolutely. Well, and I had done the leg work for the year. Right. I do think that like, we can have these like momentary ideas and God will bless them and we can move forward and he's in it. But I think that he also honors our obedience and our resilience to trudge through a year of praying about things.
I mean, that's legit. That's like, hi, God, me again. I just have the same questions. Yeah,
Exactly. Alert on my phone. Cause I was so tired of talking to God about it.
I feel like I did that for us having a third child. I asked for a year every day and it's like, God, show me anyway. We're not getting into that. So you guys were switching gears of Blake, her and I could just conversation all day about, we love us some Jesus. Okay. So we're going to teach you about any program lady bosses. Yeah. First Blake is like, when we got on her show, she started talking about any gram and then we like were super excited and I said, you have to come on my show because I've been wanting to do an episode on this. So you'd be the perfect person. So like what does any gram, what does it mean? First of all, let's answer that. Okay. What is it? What does it mean?
Well, the Enneagram is a nine sided system of analysis that represents basically the spectrum of possible personality types. So it unfortunately looks a lot like a pentagram, which is really unfortunate. It's not like, yeah, it's basically it's in the same vein as Myers-Briggs or the color system, these personality definers, what sets the Enneagram apart is that a lot of those other systems tell you what you do. So like the Myers-Briggs will tell you expectations of like how you're going to react in certain situations. The Enneagram takes it a step further and not only tells you what you're going to do, but why you're going to do it. So it digs a lot into your childhood and childhood wounds and lies that you believe and fears that you had it's uncomfortable and it is difficult to dig in Olin. But the other side is so incredible. It's so much freedom and so much understanding of yourself and of others. So it was a very wordy definition. It is a night, it's nine types, which I can run through the types if you want me to. But nine types that basically spans the spectrum of possible personality. Yeah.
We'll speed through those nine types, because I think people will have an initial feel of what they think they are. And Then when we go into the examples
And you're right, like it is so much deeper because I knew like my Myers Briggs
And all of those things, and it's so interesting to find out about yourself. At least I love to do this kind of thing. Cause I like, Oh yeah, what are my weaknesses? What are my strengths? And better understand myself. Like once I did the Enneagram, so many things were made clear to me as far as my weaknesses and it, it really opened this whole conversation. I started having around worthiness. And I think we discussed that on your show. Like all of the different phases of worthiness for me were tied back to this personality type that I have helped me immensely. And then it helped me really understand my husband at a deeper level.
Right. Like I'm like, Oh, I get kill. Like,
What is your husband? He's a nine he's the helper. No, nine is the peacemaker,
The peacemaker what's the, is there a helper or is that not a big thing too? So he's a nine he's a nine. So he's that? What you just so see, this is why Blake is here. Cause I'm like random nine. Like I don't know.
No, my husband's a nine too. So both of our nine wasn't for married to very strong personalities. Really interesting.
So tell us about, okay. How does someone find out their type? And then let's say speed type explanation. What's one through nine.
Okay. So the unfortunate truth now that cause Enneagram has been having a moment for a couple of years now it's a really big deal. People are really into it when it first kind of resurged, which has been around for hundreds of years, by the way, you could find really accurate free tests. Now all of the tests you have to pay for them. And even when the tests were free, it was not my goat to, to truly find your type. You have to do the research. You have to dig in on what all of the types are. Part of me says that because I really do think it's the only way to accurately find your type. But the other part is I think a lot of people, when they do a test, they find they're tight. They feel like it's accurate. And then they leave it at that.
Or they only did it on their tight that you're doing yourself. And the Enneagrams such a disservice to not at least to some degree, learn about all of the types. You don't have to become an Enneagram enthusiast and expert. Like I am. It's like, I'm like borderline of noxious about it. But learning about the types that it's such a tool for empathy is such a tool for compassion. It's a tool to better your relationships. And we're going to talk about that as we go on, explore your type.com is my favorite test. It's a paid test now.com. It's a paid test. I can't remember how much it is. They're not super expensive, but I know some people are like, I don't want to, I don't want to pay for this. But Ann Morgan crone is kind of the godfather of the Enneagram and it's his test. It's really good. It's really accurate. It's incredibly in depth
About the Enneagram Institute website. Do you take their test?
They don't really have a tested. They're really like linked to an Oregon crone whether their test is paid now. I'm not sure it's one of those two, but the Enneagram Institute is an incredible resource to learn about the tights for sure.
Sure. Okay. So they're going to go to that website. You guys, you can try the free ones. You know, there's nothing wrong with that, but then once it gets started getting pumped about this and you will, especially as a business owner, you can use this test to understand your clients, to understand your spouses, to understand the people around you and better understand yourself. And I think if you're anything like Blake and I you're like, I got Slack, I'm like, this is so cool. Like I'm loving the intuition, that's coming from it. So do the paid one just to be sure. And you get all of the resources that teach you at each number when you do that. So that's how you find it. So let's go through the types Blake and kind of, I think you guys will know, or maybe you have like a feel of what you might be and that can help us through some examples with you.
Yes, absolutely. So ones are the perfectionist. They are the rational idealistic. They have a very clear definition of what is right and wrong justice. That kind of stuff too is the helper. They are the caring, interpersonal generous type. They are the servant hearted show up when you need them kind of person three.
Sure of it. I'm sure. That's my mother Renee. You're a cue. Okay.
Three is Stephanie. They are success oriented, appearance oriented. They are goal getters, popular team. The achiever. Yes. I'm sorry. I forgot to say that Cheever,
Other than the I'm like what happened to the piece where I care about my appearance? You guys, what happened to that one? Cause I'm like, you know me, I'm like, like no makeup ever, like
It's called growth. You've grown. That's what it is because I know your story. And I know that you can care a lot for is the individualist. They are the sensitive probably a more withdrawn. They are the most creative type of the Enneagram. So a lot of artists, which hard graphers are the individualist five is the investigator. They are intense cerebral, innovative researchers. They want to understand why this does what it does. Six is the loyalists. They are committed. They are security oriented. They are as the name inverse, incredibly loyal. They are being most loyal. Friend of the Enneagram. Seven is the enthusiast. They are the fun, loving, spontaneous, want to do the next thing. They're usually pretty easily. I want to do this. I want to do that. Eight is the challenger. They are powerful and bold. They're confrontational. They're direct. They are the most natural leader of the Enneagram. That's you? Right. That's me on the challenger. And then nine is the pacemaker, which is both of our husbands easygoing understanding. They are called the crown of the Enneagram because they sit at the top. They can most easily understand every type, every mindset, every point of view, their main goal is to keep the peace. So that is the non-type. Okay.
And so typically you guys would probably feel like, Ooh, I think I'm one of those, but I could also be a second one. Right? So Blake, there's something called you have,
And then you have a wing, a wing and can you have one or two wings or how does this work?
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So the wings, if you look at the Enneagram, which pull up a picture of like pull up an image of the agreement, the circle kind of types go around the circle. So I'll just use, it's easiest to use my number as an example, eight sits seven and nine. Okay. So as an eight, I can either have a seven-way or a nine way. Ah, so for you, you can either have a two wing or a four number four, again, the individualist. So the creative feeler, what was the helper? Oh gosh, I don't know. I think I have a two wing your heart and your desire is to serve people and to help them succeed. I think that, I think that that's probably your ranked. So for me, I could either, either as an eight, I could either have the enthusiast wing or the peacemaker way. I have zero peacemaker. Like when I am not being intense, when I'm not being intentional about growth, I am confrontational. I thrive in conflict. Like, Oh yes. Like the things that make people want to crawl in a hole, like breathe life into me. Like if we're going to debate it, like I, like, I thrive in it
Confrontation by like, I'm going to Bali, I'm leaving the room. Like I can't not,
No, I can tell, I don't mean like a main car, like conflict or confrontation, but like I can tell when I have had a good, I can tell when I haven't had a good verbal debate in awhile because I'm like, I like miss it. Like, I love it. If you follow me on Instagram. Yeah. Makes cause I talk about completely controversial topics and I go there and it's because I love it.
What makes you stand out Blake? And I think that's why we have to have all of these types because you can't have a bunch of threes in the world. And like we're, we're achievers and we're doing lists and organizing and going and creating and all of that and not have all the other pieces of the puzzle.
It makes this world like the fullest most vibrant place. It can be, we need absolutely in politics and running things and we need people to kind of help and come down, calm Down.
So what I'm saying is I haven't seven wings. So I have the enthusiastic way, which means I am incredibly bold and incredibly confrontational, but also very easily distracted and want to have fun all the time. I love it. So Cool. Okay. So let's talk about when you discovered that you were, You were an eight and you're reading this Whole, like personality description of yourself, take us through, what are your strengths and what are your weaknesses and how did that help you?
Yeah. So funnily enough, I mistyped, which is incredibly common. I feel like people that are just getting into the Enneagram need to know that mistyping, it's so common that it's like, when you read about your type on the Enneagram on the Enneagram Institute website that we've referred to, they have a resource for MIS typing. Like what numbers mistype is others. I mistyped as a seven. Really? Yeah. So typically you're going to miss type in the same, there are your dominant types, they're your aggressive types. And then there are your passive more like calm, creative types. You're going to miss type in the same, like threes and eights are in the same world. Right. As well. So it's tied as a three. And my first experience with the Enneagram was very self-focused. So I was only learning about the three and there was a lot of it that I was like, all right, but I wasn't making the effort to learn about the other types.
So when I did start actually Ian Morgan Cron, who I referred to earlier has a book called the road back to you, which is if you're ready to like really dive in and read a book is so, so, so good. I cannot sing its praises and started reading the robot to you, which takes you through all of the times. And so I'm reading about AIDS and I was like, Oh, Oh shoot. This is me. And so they have like this little synopsis at the front of the chapter and I read it to my husband, I'd write as well on the side. And so his response was, Oh, that's good. Did you write that? Like he thought that I am such an eight, that he thought that I had written this about myself. Wow. My first experience with the Enneagram, once I finally realized that I was an eight, was this sense of relief because I think I had lived a lot of my life feeling like there was either something wrong with me or that I was the only person who functioned this way.
And so seeing words on paper of someone describing an eight, and it's literally feeling like someone had a look into my world that I can vividly remember my first kind of relief response being. Oh, but I can't be the only one. Yeah. I can't be alone in being created this way. If somebody is putting words to paper about it. And then realizing that, that means that I really genuinely was created this way. You know, that there's a lot of conversations happening, especially in the Christian Instagram sphere about feeling like too much, having grown up your whole life feeling like too much. And that is my story. That is, that is the scars on my soul is having been told I was too much and treated like I was too much. And it's like, calm down Blake. Right?
Yeah. Why do you care so much? And it was just like, I could feel these scars beginning to heal because it was basically like permission that I was created this way. And there's always room for growth in the Enneagram is the, in my opinion, other than scripture, the number one way to grow in who you are. Because when you look at the Enneagram, it also has like arrows that move through it. And those are your directions of stress and your directions of growth. So me as an eight, I grow towards a five w sorry, I digressed towards a five. So when I am under stress, when I am unhealthy, I become like the investigator. I become very withdrawn. I turn inwards. I don't want to talk to anybody. And all of my friends that are listening are like, she turns her phone off is what she does, but I grow toward the two, which means I become more gentle and more compassionate and more understanding and have more of a desire to serve and to help for you as a three, you stress to a nine, which is the peacemaker don't, it's basically taking on the unhealthy attributes of that type.
That's so interesting that you say that real quick Blake, because I noticed that when I'm faced with any type of confrontation, right. I go into this hole of like, I go back to my mother, who's the helper. She has to fix everything. And it's not her fault. She was her, she was mothering all of these kids by the age of 12. And so that's who she is. And so I go there and I go, okay, how can I fix this? I have nothing else matters, but to fix this right now. And I have to, I start cleaning. I start doing, I start serving and nothing about myself will matter. Yeah. Cause I think I have to fix it in order to have peace in my life where I can get back to my natural state, which is a
Yep. You've disengage. You like the running Enneagram joke for nines is that they just want to take a nap. So like, if you stress towards the nine, when there's conflict, when there's confrontation, you just kind of like backpedal whole up. I don't want to be a part of this, but you grow towards a six, which is really interesting because six is the loyalist. So they are cooperative. They are committed to others, like a big struggle for threes. And I say this in all of the love, cause I can talk about all the negative things about AIDS until the cows come home. But three's a big struggles that they're going to step on people to get where they need to get. Absolutely. I'm going to like you are going to be a stepping stool for me to like push up and get where I need to go. So it's really interesting to take that and grow towards the six who was the most loyal, committed, integrated type. It's just, I mean, it's so interesting.
It's the different facets of being at your best because they operate at your best as a, and be a world changer. Same with you types to really make a ripple on this earth. But we also, because we have such a great strength as our best at our worst, who so damaging and I've been that person and you guys have heard this over and over, you know, in my network marketing career, I went because I thought worth equal success, which equals stepping on people to get to this ultimate goal, which is false idols. It's ego, it's Stephanie at her literal worst. I've been there and it's easy to fall there because the enemy loves you there. And there come on, do more of this. This feels really good. But once you identified that you can,
Right. Absolutely. The interesting distinction between eights and threes is that threes deeply care. What people think about them. They are so image conscious eight, don't give a crap. I do not care at health or at the bottom of my health. I don't care what you think about me. Well, those two things manifest in who we are. So for threes, I care what you think about me. So I'm going to step on you. I'm going to get where I need to get for eighth. I don't care what you think about me. So like, I don't care about you. Like I need to do it takes actual daily effort for me to remember, to take other people's feelings into account. Right. Otherwise, a hundred percent I will blow and go and get stuff done and leave a weight behind me. Yeah, totally unintentionally. And so that's kind of like the heart of what we're talking about here is just that.
And I know we're really honing in on threes and eights, which is normally talk about the Enneagram. You talk about your tight, but it, people that listen to my podcast have heard me say it a million times that the Enneagram changed my life. It changed my life. It helped me step into who I am and it helped me use my gifts and my strengths for the betterment of the kingdom, for the betterment of my family and made me aware of my tendency to just blow and go and not to take anybody's feelings into account and my tendency to hole up and shut down and not talk to anybody. When I like, and not in a good place, it has radically changed my life. And as an eight, I don't say things lightly. I'm not somebody that's going to throw it around. Like, Oh my God, it's changed. My life changed my life.
That's so true because you have a choice when you go and you read and Blake says, okay, I'm this age. And I can see all these strengths that I have. And I still, these weaknesses, she could use that into way. She could say, now I have an excuse to be a dozer, or she can say, now I'm intentionally creating choices, affirmations intentions every day to be the best and to be conscious of other people's feelings. And for me, I have to say, I have to not care. What other think of me? I mean, it's a daily thing for me to work on that. And I've gotten to a space where it's very, very rare that I do care what someone thinks of me, but when it comes in, I take it. So personally when it creeps in, it wrecks me up. But yeah, I know this about my personality so I can do it.
It's not even necessarily that you have to like a hundred percent stop caring what people think or a hundred percent start caring. What people think that the health, it's a rhythm, it's a middle ground, you know? And you talked about like, I'm gonna make a huge generalization. My biggest pet peeve is when people use the Enneagram as an excuse to be the worst version of whatever their type is. And I'm going to be totally honest. You see it manifest in eights a lot. You see a lot, a lot, a lot of AIDS
And yes, she's super into any gram as well. And she's, so she's doing it in the right way, but it's funny. Cause I see so much of her in you and
Yes, bullies, you see eight being bullies, rude being mean and saying, I mean, I know that this is going to come across harsh, but nominate, stop it, stop doing that. Like I'm going to speak directly to eights right now. If you're an eight, it does not give you a right to be a bully. Yeah.
And if you're a three, it doesn't give you a right to step on other people just because you think that, you know, being successful or being recognized is what's really important in creating your work.
I actually have, I do Enneagram series on my Instagram sometimes. And the next Enneagram series is like, you don't have the right to, yeah. I'd love to, like, you literally just said like three, like three, if you don't have the right to step on people just because you're on observer. Yeah.
So here's where you guys can use the three in your business. So we now have explained how you can use it for yourself. So let's say that you work. I mean, if you work with anyone, if you have clients, if you do any type of coaching, even if you're a network marketer and you have people in your downline or leaders that you're working with, one-on-one how can we use this Blake to set ourselves up for success with others?
Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that divides into clients and coworkers. So for, if you have a nine to five and you have coworkers or you have a network marketing and you have a downline or you have a team, I would absolutely encourage you to like have your team or your coworkers take the Enneagram because I've actually gone and spoken at like realtor meetings and a couple of other meetings about the Enneagram in business. And even if you only learn the motivations and the fears of all of the types, if you just stop there, you have given yourself an arsenal for working with other people. Because I, as an eight, I don't understand naturally I don't understand how your brain works. 70 as a three. None of them do, maybe nines, maybe nines understand all of the types in some capacity, but I don't understand nines.
I don't understand nines at all. And I'm buried to what it means, understanding that like, okay, like my coworker is a one. So he really functions in black and white right. And wrong justice and injustice. So when we're working together and he gets upset about something because he feels like we're doing it the wrong way, my eight is going to be like, bro, calm down. Like you're being ridiculous. Stop. Like, let's just get this done. But if I can slow down for a second, take his Enneagram type into account and realize this is just as much as my like natural, almost DNA is to lead and to be dominant and confront his is for right and wrong, black and white. And it just helps you so much to understand not what they're going to do. Like Myers-Briggs but why they're doing it. So,
And yourself a little bit. Right. You can check yourself and go, okay, I'm not going to blow up on this dude. Cause he's super annoying right now.
Right? Any, it feels like he's nitpicking or, you know, being just ridiculous. It's it's my, my favorite way to describe the Enneagram as a tool for compassion. Oh yeah. That's good. It's such a tool for compassion and you know, you can use that example with any of the types, you know, like if you're working with a sick and they start to get panicky and claiming and want to make sure that every like, are we okay? Is this okay? Like it's really easy. It's really, for any of the times to be like, yep, we're fine. Chill out. We're just working together. That is a six is ML to needs to feel secure. They need to feel that they are okay. That they are safe. If I understand, especially as like in a boss position, like if I am an employer to understand my team or like a downline, I mean it radically changes the way that you work people in a coworking kind of way.
And I'm kind of going through like learning each type right now. And I'm actually implementing something where for the few people I choose to work with on a private basis before we ever meet I'm having them give me their type, making sure that they've done that homework because if I meet with someone and we're one-on-one, and I know that I'm this three and I'm extremely organized and I expect you to come to the table with your homework done. And I expect, I don't understand people that say, Oh, well I didn't get to it, Stephanie. Cause I've never been that way. So it's super hard for me to say, do you mean you didn't find time? Do it like you things and that's the way it is. Well, not everybody operates that way. So it helps me too. When I meet with someone go, okay, I understand this type and I know they're going to procrastinate or I know they're going to be, you know, they have to play it safe and they're scared of new things. So you guys take all of that into account with your teams, with your coworkers, with your clients. And I think if you can implement that, it helps you have a much smoother relationship with people from the get-go and you're going to have more success in all of them.
These things that you do as a graphic designer. So I have a graphic design business where I do branding and website design for people I, in their initial homework, ask them if they know what their Enneagram type is, what is their, what is their type? And that's not even like in like a coaching or a network marketing, we're working on graphic design, but it's so like working with a seven right now and I cannot nail her down. I cannot cannot. And she knows it. She all a hundred percent knows it, but I know it too. Whereas if I didn't know her type or I didn't have an understanding of the Enneagram, I think, because
I don't want to do this again.
Or like answer your email or like what, you know, but it's the same way as people who deal with me and are like, why is she so direct? Why is she being like, so to the point she mad at me, you know? So I asked my clients, I asked my, my podcast interview, my guests, what their Enneagram type is. And it sounds like overkill. And some of it is selfish to be totally honest, I guess I want to better understand you, but I want to also better understand how to temper my eight minutes. Like you as a three, like you can handle it. You can handle my like loud opinions might be scared of you. And that's the running joke of eight on the Enneagram is that all of the types are afraid of me. I have met people in real life. Like the Enneagram comes up. I will never get really standing. I'm like the lobby of a restaurant. The Enneagram came up cause they were all ones. All three of them were one. And they asked where my top was. I said eight and they physically took a step back. Wow. Oh my gosh. You're an eight. So like a lot of self-awareness to like temper my eight minutes for a one versus with a seven or a three.
Oh man. Well, this is, this is super fun. Blake. I love digging into this. I can't wait to learn more. What was that book? You mentioned again, we'll Put that in the show notes back to you. Okay.
And then tell the peeps, like where can I find them some more eight Blake? Like how can you guys get some more crappy Christian amazingness in your life? Tell them where you're at.
Yes. So I am on Instagram at the girl named Blake. My podcast is confessions of a crabby crochet. My website is crappy Christian podcast.com. And those are really the only places that I'm active on. There are so many C's I was trying to save. I saw your Instagram
Was like a cut. Cut. Okay. Hold on. Let me try again. Oh, like a crappy Christian podcast cook.
No, I know. It's so catchy. Like I love it. So you guys Go check Blake out. You love my stuff.
You'll love her stuff. And thank you for teaching us about the Enneagram Blake. It's been so fun. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for having me.
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